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obeach 
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| 09/06/2006 10:44 AM |
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I just updated to 3.6, and ran the 'all sighting' report. It now lists in the upper righthand corner the number of species and subspecies. That is great. What is missing is the total number of entries as was the case in the prior version.
How can I obtain this information.
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Tom
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jjones
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| 09/06/2006 10:52 AM |
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Hi Tom,
Missing "Total number of entries" and "Total Species Seen".
Will have in an upcoming free release. Sorry to have missed that.
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jjones
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| 09/06/2006 11:52 AM |
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Ok - let's talk about this here. In 3.6, there is a new count field at the top right of reports. It replaces the old count field. It counts species and subspecies in the report. But there are really 4 counts here, and I want to ask how this should be changed. So here goes.
Imagine a report with sightings for:
1. Dendragapus obscurus fuliginosus
2. Cyanocitta stelleri
3. Cyanocitta stelleri
4. Cyanocitta stelleri
5. Dendroica petechia
6. Dendroica petechia aestiva
for example's sake.
There are 4 things one can count here:
1. Total sightings records: 6
2. Total species seen: 3
3. Total subspecies records: 2
4. Total species records: 4
What do we want at the top right of reports?
I will suggest the following to start things off:
Species Seen: 3 - Ssp. Sightings: 2 - Tot Records: 6
Obviously I have left out "total species records" as I am not sure that gives anything important when the other two records are there.
Let me know,
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jjones
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| 09/06/2006 11:59 AM |
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| Here is an example of what I am proposing. The first is a sightings report, the second, a life list report. |
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obeach
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| 09/06/2006 1:40 PM |
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Jeff,
I like what you have put together, and will be great for the majority of reports. This reason I am interested in Total Sighting Records, is to keep track of all of the entries. This is done on a monthly and yearly basis, and gives a idea of my birding activity. I use this with the All Sightings report.
Your example is good, but let me restate for clearification. The example given uses the same date. What is a Yellow Warbler is seen on 9.06.06 and 09.07.06. Would that equal 2 for Total Records? I believe it would be 2 for Total Sighting Records.
Am I making sense?
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Tom
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jjones
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| 09/06/2006 2:02 PM |
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Your example is good, but let me restate for clearification. The example given uses the same date. What is a Yellow Warbler is seen on 9.06.06 and 09.07.06. Would that equal 2 for Total Records? I believe it would be 2 for Total Sighting Records.
One in the same. 2
We are not summing up the count field in each sightings record for this purpose.
Jeff
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obeach
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| 09/06/2006 2:17 PM |
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Jeff,
Great, will wait for the update.
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Tom
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Mark Riley
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| 09/06/2006 3:20 PM |
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Jeff,
thanks again for allowing me to comment. First, I think any life list, trip list, year list etc should have the total number of species seen. I am not sure it should have subspecies, because even the nominate form is a subspecies. So to call everything else but the nominate taxa a subspecies is misleading. I addition while I think many birders are interested in subspecies, remember the howls of complaint when BD did not have subspecies. I think most of us count species.
The number of sightings is usefull if it is an additional feature.
Hope this helps.
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jjones
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| 09/06/2006 3:29 PM |
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thanks again for allowing me to comment. First, I think any life list, trip list, year list etc should have the total number of species seen. I am not sure it should have subspecies, because even the nominate form is a subspecies. So to call everything else but the nominate taxa a subspecies is misleading. I addition while I think many birders are interested in subspecies, remember the howls of complaint when BD did not have subspecies. I think most of us count species.
The number of sightings is usefull if it is an additional feature.
Thanks Mark. Good feedback.
That is exactly what I am trying to post. You are right, even a subspecies is a species, within the context of any given taxonomic list.
So, for example, when I post "Species: # - Subspecies: # - Total Records: #" for a life list report,
1. Species is exactly as you would expect it to be. The number of unqiue species seen.
2. Subspecies is just the number of subspecies sightings that contributed to your life count. Meaning, those sightings that you entered as a subspecies which were the first of that species seen.
3. Total Records is how many total sightings entries were display/counted, and for a Life List report, this will always match #1 above.
The definition stays the same for the other types of reports (Sightings, Checklist, and Trip) but will produce different numbers as shown above in the example.
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Mark Riley
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| 09/06/2006 4:01 PM |
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Jeff'
I see where your going. Anything that relates to sightings should should have that breakdown, i.e species,subspecies etc. BUT it is not needed on a life list, just the number of species.
Hope it makes sense.
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