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07/03/2008 1:54 PM Alert 

Hi Jeff and welcome back from your trip.

I just returned from an amazing and wonderful 3-week journey and birding trip to Australia.  In looking at the "Birds Australasia, New Zealand, Antarctica 2007 Royal Australian Ornithological Union" description it says the list includes 9 subspecies.  Is this correct?  According to both field guides I was using (Field Guide to Australian Birds, by Michael Morcombe and Field Guide to the Birds of Australia by Simpson and Day 7th ed.) there are many more than this.  It is important to me because I saw many subspecies as we traveled most of the eastern portion of the country and I would like to document them.

I have the new Clements, but it appears several of the subspecies identified in the field guides are not recognized by Clements.

Thanks for your assistance.

Mike S.
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07/03/2008 2:20 PM Alert 

Hi Mke,

The author of that taxonomic list decided to include those 9 subspecies as he felt they were due to be split soon.

The Clements tax list should contain all of the birds (specific or subspecific) that you might see down under.

Please specify which are causing you problems and I will see if I can't resolve them to their entry in Clements.

Jeff

p.s. gone camping/birding for the next 4 days.


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07/03/2008 2:23 PM Alert 
As an aside Mike - if you have an Advanced user license - then you can edit that taxonomic list and make additions as you see fit. However, word of warning, this is usually a complex task and you will need to make certain that you understand the underlying Diary "thing" objects and how they are attached to Clements in order to do it correctly.

The first few topics in the Checklist forum attempt to explain this concept.

\fyi
Jeff

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10/23/2008 12:13 PM Alert 

Mike and Jeff,

I am the one who put together that list for Jeff. This is something I did in my spare time after I did my own birding trip to Australia a few years ago. So trying to include subspecies was a too daunting of a task unless I were to simply copy from Clements. In that case what is the point as anyone can filter Clements. So what I source I used what the published list produced by the RAOU. The few subspecies that were included were ones that were previous species that had been lumped in recents years. These have seperate common names and many Australian birders record them as such. For example many birders I know here in the states record Yellow-shafted flicker or Oregon Junco.

By the way I am currently revising this list. Birds Australia published major new checklist this summer. This is equivalent to the AOU publishing a whole new checklist every 10 to 20 years not just the annual updates. There are dozens of name changes, splits, new species documented and introductions since their last revision. They have also rearranged the order of the list as well making it consistent with similiar checjlists by the AOU and the British. Just to make it even more interesing the RAOU is no more. Since their checklist was published in the mid 90s they have seperated into Birds Australia and the Ornitholical Society of New Zealand. Each of these now publishes thier own checklist for their repsective countries. I am in the process of reconciling the 2 new checkllists. While not a complete listing of subspecies it will include every subspecies for which they publish a common name. Jeff I assume you will be interested in the updated list when I finish, hopefully sometime next week.

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10/23/2008 3:12 PM Alert 
Hi MIke,

Of course. Looking forward to it. Thanks.

Jeff

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10/28/2008 10:08 PM Alert 
Jeff,

The 2008 updates are ready. One question though. Is there any way I can can export the checklist for more than one location. That is can I export the checklist for Australia, New Zealand and the various outlying islands that the are covered by the Australian and New Zealand lists so that they are in one file. Or would be better to export more than file and have you combine them?
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10/29/2008 2:15 PM Alert 

Hi Mike,

  1. You can create a new location under World that contains Australasia, New Zealand, etc as children. Then export that location.
  2. Or - use the "Append on export of existing file" feature at the bottom of the Import/Export window, and then export each location in turn with that option checked. Screen shot below. But I don't remember if that is in v3.6.49. If you don't see it there, then it is a v3.7 feature.

Jeff







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