bakerjc 
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| 09/26/2006 9:07 AM |
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When I make a World Checklist with Clements 2004 with either v3.5 or v3.6, and I have it group by family name and give the # in each family, the Rhipiduridae (Fantails) and Myiagridae (Monarchs) are run together and the count is given as 144. It should be (I think) 45 Fantails and 99 Monarchs. When I make the same style checklist for Papua New Guinea, the correct division occurs: 16 Fantails and 25 Monarchs with names and numbers all correct. How can I fix this?
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jjones
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| 09/26/2006 9:33 AM |
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John,
Please provide a screen capture of the report designer window and the output columns pane for the report that you are having the problem with.
For example:
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jjones
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| 09/26/2006 12:36 PM |
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In that version, the Family Descriptions were omitted on a couple of families.
The solution to this problem was to pull up that tax list (Clements in this case) in the Tax Viewer,
1) right-click on the Family name
2) Choose Edit Description
3) Set the description.
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bakerjc
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| 09/26/2006 12:40 PM |
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Yes, that fixed the problem.
I meant to post the screen captures, but the files were too big. I'm working on that problem and will post them soon.
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jjones
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bakerjc
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| 09/26/2006 12:47 PM |
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Here are the screen shots. They are attached as JPEGS.
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bakerjc
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| 09/26/2006 1:29 PM |
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In Clements 2004 the following family names are missing, in addition to Fantails and Monarchs, noted above.
Shoebill
Wild Turkey
Stone-Curlews
Magellanic Plover
Sandgrouse
Motmots
New Zealand Wrens
Hypocolius
Australian Chats
Bush Shrikes
Helmet Shrikes
Mud-nesters
Bornean Bristlehead
Olive Warbler
Przewalski's Rosefinch
The following have typos
Plantain-eaters, 'turacos --> Turacos
Fairy_bluebirds --> Fairy-bluebirds
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jjones
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| 09/26/2006 5:02 PM |
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Hi John,
Thanks much! And since you have the info already, is it possible for you to supply the latin family name for those so that I can fix them more readily?
If not, no problem.
Thanks,
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SteveO
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| 09/26/2006 8:23 PM |
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I didn't find stone-curlew, but for the others Clements says:
Shoebill BALAENICIPIDIDAE
Wild Turkey MELEAGRIDIDAE
Stone-Curlews
Magellanic Plover PLUVIANELLIDAE
Sandgrouse PTEROCLIDAE
Motmots MOMOTIDAE
New Zealand Wrens ACANTHISITTIDAE
Hypocolius HYPOCOLIIDAE
Australian Chats EPTHIANURIDAE
Bush Shrikes MALACONOTIDAE
Helmet Shrikes PRIONOPIDAE
Mud-nesters GRALLINIDAE
Bornean Bristlehead PITYRIASEIDAE
Olive Warbler PEUCEDRAMIDAE
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cjwalton
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| 09/27/2006 2:35 AM |
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Clements 2004
Stone-Curlews - BURHINIDAE
John W
Added later - I wonder if John has a corrupt Clements 2004. I have not checked all but see below for Shoebill and Wild Turkey
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SteveO
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| 09/27/2006 3:59 AM |
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Interesting hypothesis, that I had not checked
I just looked at a Clements 2004 csv file, and the first two family names were found.
I don't know if I had used that file for import or export, but they are in my database, too.
As John said - it looks like a corrupted file.
Wonder how it got that way? Any kind of Root Cause Analysis would be difficult if not impossible.
My recommendation is to re-import the tax list to fix it, and watch to see if it happens again.
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SteveO
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| 09/27/2006 4:09 AM |
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| I went back to John B's original note:
When I make a World Checklist with Clements 2004 with either v3.5 or v3.6, and I have it group by family name and give the # in each family, the Rhipiduridae (Fantails) and Myiagridae (Monarchs) are run together and the count is given as 144. It should be (I think) 45 Fantails and 99 Monarchs. When I make the same style checklist for Papua New Guinea, the correct division occurs: 16 Fantails and 25 Monarchs with names and numbers all correct. I think he is saying that the family names were in the database and appeared in a Papua New Guinea list, but did not appear in a World Checklist . Or did I misread it?
But the ToolTips (where the English names are found) are missing at least some of the families in my version of Clements 2004 as well. They do appear to be there in 2005.
So I guess my conclusion is that I misread the original note, and the problem is fixed in Clements 2005! |
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cjwalton
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| 09/27/2006 5:57 AM |
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Posted By SteveO on 09/27/2006 4:09 AM
I think he is saying that the family names were in the database and appeared in a Papua New Guinea list, but did not appear in a World Checklist . Or did I misread it?
I find that they (the few I checked) were present in a World checklist report. Could this have something to do with the fact that I had updated my Clements 2004 using the import file that Jeff put into the Checklist Forum?
"Missing checklist data -various world species for Clements 2005"
John W
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jjones
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| 09/27/2006 7:53 AM |
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Hi John,
Excuse my ignorance - but what am I supposed to see in that screen capture?
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jjones
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| 09/27/2006 8:00 AM |
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Also - Steve - I checked my database and found all of these family names to have values. But how did this happen? I know that in v3, the database was missing english text for some of these families. But, now they all seem to have values. Nothing in BD updates these values automatically.
No import/export provides this data. So how did these descriptions get updated? This one is killing me.
Probably Pete during one long week in the closet updating these scientific descriptions.
Hmmm
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SteveO
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| 09/27/2006 8:22 AM |
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I think that there are still some ssp without descriptions, but it looks like all other levels are populated.
For ssp, should description be the same as the common name?
Ii don't know how they got populated, but it sounds like we may need a way to do so. Are all those levels null in all the user created tax lists? A quick survey shows it is - at least in many cases.
Could the export task write a row for every tax hierarchy level with the common name field set to the description, and the import task use it that way, and otherwise not use the record - or would that screw up group level things?
Just thinking - I'm sure you have a better idea.
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