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KenB User is Offline Posts:21 Reliable Poster
09/28/2006 7:18 AM Alert 

Hi, Jeff,

 

I have two questions regarding the new 2006 ABA and AOU taxonomic updates:

 

First:

 

I recently upgraded from BD v3.5 to v3.6, and I’ve subsequently installed the v3.6.22 update, all with no problems. The program was working great, and all my lists, counts and checklists were unchanged after the upgrades.

 

Yesterday I downloaded, imported and licensed the new ABA 2006 and AOU 2006 taxonomic updates (I also imported the ABA/AOU 2006 Checklist update).

 

The process completed with no problems, BUT…

 

Since the taxonomic updates Herring Gull is GONE again! All my lists/counts are decreased by one (Herring Gull missing), and there is no Herring Gull entry showing in the Sightings Entry fields when either the ABA 2006 or AOU 2006 taxonomies are selected. Herring Gull is also missing from any checklists generated using those taxonomies.

 

I previously have gone through the process for correcting this problem, including ensuring that my HG sightings are properly designated. I also have imported the Herring Gull/American Herring Gull Checklist Updates.

 

I assumed the problem was taken care of, since I had no problems following the version 3.6 upgrade!

 

My Herring Gull sightings and counts are correct and DO show up normally (as “American Herring Gull”) if I select the Clements 2005 taxonomy.

 

What do I do now? Should I re-import the Herring Gull Checklist Updates again?

Did I do something wrong?

Is the Herring Gull problem going to recur each time I install a new taxonomy update?

 

 

 

Second question… Blue/Dusky/Sooty Grouse!

 

After I installed the ABA/AOU 2006 taxonomies and checklist update I edited & renamed my (lone) Blue Grouse sighting to the correct species “Sooty Grouse”. Sooty Grouse now shows up properly on my lists, and my counts are correct (except for the Gull), and "all is right with the world"!

 

HOWEVER, now when I open the Sightings Entry field and select either of the 2006 taxonomies I now see listed:

 

White-tailed Ptarmigan     Lagopus leucura

Blue Grouse                     Dendragapus  (no species designation)

Dusky Grouse                  Dendragapus obscurus

Sooty Grouse                   Dendragapus fulginosus

Sharp-tailed Grouse          Tympanuchus phaisanellus

 

I also see all three grouse listed when I generate a checklist using either of the new taxonomies.

 

Why is “Blue Grouse” still listed, and why is it the only bird shown without a species designation? Is this as it should be? Is there a way to remove Blue Grouse, or should I leave it alone?

 

Thanks again for the great program and the excellent support!!

 

Ken

SteveO User is Offline Posts:521 Veteran Member
09/28/2006 8:40 AM Alert 
Is the Herring Gull problem going to recur each time I install a new taxonomy update?


Before Jeff steps in to take the blame...

I screwed up.

Jeff has fixed the gull. Please redownload and re-apply the change.

Regards,
Steve

Regards,
Steve
jjones User is Offline Posts:5332 Veteran Member
09/28/2006 8:54 AM Alert 
Hi Ken,

Man - you guys are fast!  The erroneous versions of the ABA/AOU 2006 tax lists were only up for a few minutes before I replaced them with the corrected version!

To fix your herring gull problem, simply remove the 2006 versions of the ABA and AOU tax lists from your database (using Tax Viewer), then download and re-import them. Herring Gull issue resolved.

Now, for the Blue Grouse issue - I just responded to a duplicate comment on this here. You did the right thing to edit your existing sightings and assign them to the correct species.

To explain and answer your questions in regards Blue Grouse et al.

1) the tax list is as it should be
2) The old Blue Grouse species was assigned to the internal Diary thing "Blue Grouse" (could be XYZ562); your sightings are attached to that internal thing
3) This way, those sightings still show up (If you hadn't edited them) in a sightings report using the new ABA 2006 tax list. But they will show as a Genus-level sighting, because according to the new 2006 tax list, you have not assigned them to a species level bird yet.
4) Those same sightings, using the 2006 tax list, will NOT count against any life list count - again for the same reason.
5) You can remove the genus-level Blue Grouse item in the 2006 tax list using the Tax Editor - but my recommendation is to leave it as is.

Let me know if I can explain further.

Jeff

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KenB User is Offline Posts:21 Reliable Poster
09/28/2006 11:19 AM Alert 
Hi, Jeff and Steve,

Thanks for the info and solution! 

To fix your herring gull problem, simply remove the 2006 versions of the ABA and AOU tax lists from your database (using Tax Viewer), then download and re-import them. Herring Gull issue resolved.


After I delete and then re-import the two "fixed" tax lists do I also have to download and import the 2006 checklist update again?

Thanks!

Ken



jjones User is Offline Posts:5332 Veteran Member
09/28/2006 11:22 AM Alert 
Posted By KenB on 09/28/2006 11:19 AM
After I delete and then re-import the two "fixed" tax lists do I also have to download and import the 2006 checklist update again?

No.

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aldeboro User is Offline Posts:207 Veteran Member
10/05/2006 8:03 PM Alert 
Jeff,

I don't think I have a problem but I would like clarification on the Herring Gull issue. I just downloaded the ABA 2006 tax & checklist, AOU 2006 tax & checklist and Clements 2005 tax list for use with BD3.6.28. When I view my Herring Gull sightings using ABA 2006 tax list, I get the ambiguous window with a choice of "American Herring Gull" or "Herring Gull". I choose "American Herring Gull" and my sightings come up with Herring Gull as the common name. Is this correct? If Herring Gull is the preferred common name, why do I have to choose American Herring Gull? By clicking on Herring Gull, no sightings come up.

Regards, Al Borodayko
jjones User is Offline Posts:5332 Veteran Member
10/06/2006 6:43 AM Alert 
Hi Al,

What you told me confirms that your sightings are correct.

When you enter in Herring Gull into the Name field, BD knows that this name can refer to two different things. So it asks you which bird are you really talking about. That is what that is about.

All is well.

Jeff

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horsefeathers User is Offline Posts:6 Occasional Poster
10/06/2006 5:29 PM Alert 
Hi,

I need more instructions on how to remove the ABA 2006 tax list so I can reimport it.  I have the Herring Gull problem too.  I am in Tech 101.


Horsefeathers
Al Ahlgrim User is Offline Posts:131 Veteran Member
10/06/2006 5:50 PM Alert 
Horsefeathers: RE: Removing your ABA 2006 Tax list.
1. Make sure you have a backup in case you change your mind.
2. Click TAX VIEW at the top of the home screen.
3. Select ABA 2006 from the drop down. (or what ever tax list you wish to remove)
4. Your ABA 2006 Tax list will roll open
5. At the upper right of the TAX VIEW screen select the DELETE button and then YES.
She's gone!
Al Ahlgrim
horsefeathers User is Offline Posts:6 Occasional Poster
10/06/2006 6:45 PM Alert 
I was able to remove the 2006 tax. list. I downlooaded and imported it again, but I am still missing the Herring Gull from my life list.

Horsefeathers!  (What now?)

Horsefeathers
jjones User is Offline Posts:5332 Veteran Member
10/08/2006 9:50 AM Alert 
Posted By horsefeathers on 10/06/2006 6:45 PM
I was able to remove the 2006 tax. list. I downlooaded and imported it again, but I am still missing the Herring Gull from my life list.

Horsefeathers!  (What now?)



Hi,

Thanks for the assist Al. The problem is not with the ABA tax list Horsefeathers. Your sightings are incorrectly linked to the European Herring Gull. The fix is easy. These instructions are for v3.6.

  1. Click View/Edit
  2. Click the Reset button to clear all fields
  3. Enter "European Herring Gull" into the Name field
  4. Select either
    1. your latest clements tax list
    2. your old ABA tax list (pre-2004)
  5. Click Continue
  6. Select all sightings that should be American Herring Gull
    NA sightings should be the Am. Herring Gull.
    European sightings should be the Euro. Herring Gull
  7. Click the Edit toolbar
  8. Select the checkbox next to the Name field
  9. Enter "American Herring Gull" into the Name field
  10. Click Update

Done.

Let me know if I can assist further,

Jeff













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horsefeathers User is Offline Posts:6 Occasional Poster
10/08/2006 10:35 AM Alert 
Thanks Jeff. Do I need to license for the Clements Tax list to correct this? I have no pre-2004 ABA list.

Horsefeathers
jjones User is Offline Posts:5332 Veteran Member
10/08/2006 12:50 PM Alert 
What tax lists do you have? See if using your ABA-2004 tax list with Step 4 above will show your European Herring Gull sightings. If so, continue the process with that setting.

Jeff

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horsefeathers User is Offline Posts:6 Occasional Poster
10/08/2006 2:40 PM Alert 
Jeff,

I have only the ABA-2005 and my newly purchased ABA-2006 lists. I don't have any idea how I got it listed as European. The 2005 list didn't work. My sitings were all noted as "Herring Gull" in my sitings history. Do I need to purchase a different tax list to fix this?

Horsefeathers
jjones User is Offline Posts:5332 Veteran Member
10/08/2006 3:11 PM Alert 
In that case, can you let me onto your system sometime tomorrow - leaving for the day in a few moments.

I will be able to fix this for you in just a couple minutes.

Let me know,
Jeff

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horsefeathers User is Offline Posts:6 Occasional Poster
10/08/2006 4:09 PM Alert 
I may not be available during the day until Thursday. I'll be in touch this week.

Thanksl

Horsefeathers
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