aldeboro 
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| 11/19/2007 6:18 PM |
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I downloaded the new tax lists and checklists, ABA 2007 (without subspecies) and AOU 2007. So far I have only analized the results for the ABA 2007 changes. I found the following anomaly.
The Stonechat appears in the ADD SIGHTINGS (Checklist Method) and in the ABA 2007 Tax List (In Tax View) but does not appear in Reports (Basic Checklist ABA Area). I interigated the Checklist Editor and got the ambigous entry window that asked me to choose between the Common Stonechat and Siberian Stonechat. When clicking on Siberian Stonechat, ABA Area and Alaska appear in Locations, but NOT when clicking on Common Stonechat.
The Rosetta Stone has the Siberian Stonechat in the ABA 2006 edition but the Common Stonechat in the ABA 2007 edition. Bottom line which of the names should be in the ABA Area? If it is Common Stonechat then the Locations must be revised.
What is the answer?
Regards, Al Borodayko
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jjones
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| 11/19/2007 6:41 PM |
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Hi Al,
I will defer to Steve O on this one. I see the anomoly. If it is an error, then I will release an updated tax list immediately. Over to you Steve.
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aldeboro
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| 11/19/2007 11:12 PM |
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When and if you update, I noticed the ABA has revised their checklist as of NOV 2007 making their total at 947 for the ABA Area (See their web page). Besides the following which were added to BD -ABA-2007:
Bean Goose into Split Taiga and Tundra
Light-mantled Albatross
European turtle-Dove
ABA also has added the following:
Parkinson's Petrel
Gray Heron
Intermediate Heron
Swallow-tailed Gull
Pallas Warbler
Hope you can slip these in as well
Regards, Al Borodayko
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jjones
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| 11/20/2007 8:02 AM |
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Thanks Al - a free update will be forthcoming to those with a license for ABA-2007.
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aldeboro
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| 11/20/2007 11:06 AM |
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On my prior post I meant Intermediate Egret not Intermediate Heron. But I'm sure you would have caught that.
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jjones
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| 11/20/2007 11:23 AM |
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Thanks Al. Yes would have updated from the ABA source page.
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aldeboro
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| 11/20/2007 11:34 AM |
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Lastly, I made my analysis of the BD -AOU-2007 update and the Stonechat is the anaomly there as well. Samr problem as in the ABA list previously noted.
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nlblock
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| 11/20/2007 12:56 PM |
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The common name Stonechat for ABA/AOU purposes should refer to the thing Siberian Stonechat. Not sure how it got changed...
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aldeboro
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| 11/20/2007 2:12 PM |
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I made an interigation of the California lists to make sure nothing changed and to my surprise the old Herring Gull problem has resurfaced. In the ABA and AOU 2006 editions it is there, however in the 2007 editions it is not except for ABA Area, Texas and Illinois. They must have favored state status. The rest of us are short changed. I think the problem is in the thing description. In ABA & AOU Ver 2006 it was American Herring Gull, however, in Ver 2007 it is Herring Gull. The locations or the thing descriptions were transposed.
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jjones
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| 11/20/2007 2:17 PM |
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Thanks Al. Steve is on vacation over Thanksgiving, but I am sure he will update the tax lists upon his return and fix the Stonechat and Herring Gull issues as well. He must not have that fixed in his own database, as this happened once before as I remember.
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SteveO
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| 11/23/2007 9:53 AM |
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Well, I am back, but it sounds like I should go on vacation some more.
The process for updating the lists does contain the possibility of inserting errors, and I seem to have proven that.
The ABA released its final changes about two months earlier than last year - we thought we were getting a jump on them, and ended up releasing the partial changes that we knew about at the same time as they released the final version.
And apparently I have one or two database copies where I have not fixed the Herring Gull - but I think the Stonechat is a new problem.
It is mildly amusing that in one of my last notes to Jeff, I commented that the most difficult and tedious part of this work is making sure that the correct things get used/reused - so that we create a new thing when required but reuse an existing thing when appropriate. And then I blew it by using the wrong existing things! (Looks like I used the wrong Herring Gull in the SACC list, too.)
The corrections will be out shortly. We do appreciate the QA check, since we want your databases to be correct. |
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jjones
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| 11/23/2007 10:41 AM |
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Thanks Steve!
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
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SteveO
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| 11/26/2007 9:13 PM |
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On the Stonechat, the answer is:
Based on the subspecies reference in the seventh edition of the AOU checklist, (and the fact that it is not mentioned in the supplements since then), the AOU Stonechat is the Siberian Stonechat thing, but the binomial is Saxicola torquatus because the AOU has never recognized the extralimital split. The ABA follows the AOU in matters of taxonomy and nomenclature, so that goes for the ABA, too.
Checklist locations are Alaska and New Brunswick.
I am not sure, but I think that you may have altered the 2006 list.
I will get a revision with all changes out in the near future, and I really hope I don't screw it up again.
Thanks for finding the error!
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jjones
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| 11/26/2007 9:29 PM |
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Posted By SteveO on 11/26/2007 9:13 PM
I am not sure, but I think that you may have altered the 2006 list.
Did I alter something Steve? Not sure what you mean. Let me know if there is something I need to correct or do.
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SteveO
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| 11/26/2007 10:15 PM |
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No. Sorry, Jeff.
I meant that perhaps Al had modified it.
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SteveO
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| 11/27/2007 10:38 PM |
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I have finished reviewing the latest ABA checklist, prior to making revisions to the BD tax list.
I have sent to the ABA a list of what I believe are errors in their checklist, and will base the BD update on what I believe to be correct.
If they tell me that I am wrong, we will correct the list.
I should have the updated version (as well as updated AOU and AOU SACC lists) to Jeff in the near future. The updates will include corrected Herring Gull and Stonechat entries - Now I just need time to write a proposal to AOU to fix the Stonechat. |
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Steve |
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