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aldeboro 
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| 10/16/2006 9:09 PM |
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Sorry, I forgot that the file that I sent was filterd for USA "ABA"
Checklist so there would be no need for a "Remove correction" for the
Red-breasted Flycatcher if the ABA Tax list didn't have it.
When you get around to the AOU Checklist then it would need a removal.
47th Supplement of AOU replaces the Red-breasted Flycatcher with Taiga
Flycatcher in the Alaska locations. I noticed that someone in the prior
threads agrees that there is no Red-breasted Flycatcher in Alaska.
Its your call as to the Yellow-shevroned Parakeet & Caribbean
Elaenia. The non-controvercial thing to do is add "ABA AREA" as a
location for those two in the Checklist Editor. If that makes the
Official ABA Checklist & BDv3.6.29 ABA Checklists identical then
the problem is solved. If the ABA finds a spot for either of them in
the future, they will document the location where it is accepted and we
can then update along with them.
As for the state committees having a say, in CA the CAlif Bird Records
Committee (CBRC) have a mixed bag. Some records are in AOU but not in
ABA, some are not in AOU or ABA and some are in the AOU or ABA but not
in the CA Bird Record Committee List. I've proded the chairman of the
CBRC committee to look into the disparities.
Regards, Al Borodayko
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nlblock
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| 10/16/2006 10:05 PM |
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Posted By jjones on 10/16/2006 2:51 PM
Your import file contained settings to add these birds to Kansas. I had removed them already based on updated information.
Cave Swallow exists for Arkansas. It was not in yours as again, I had updated information in my master database. I will re-release updated import files soon.
Hmmm - since my database is always going to be more up to date than yours, perhaps, you should just post the changes I should make in written form here. So that your checklist export doesn't overwrite changes I have made in the meantime.
Hmmmm.... back to re-do the changes I had in place.
Jeff
Jeff,
That was Al's import file, not mine. 
I was just curious about Cave Swallow in general, not only for AR. I was surprised to learn that there is no Cave Swallow thing. What I would expect to be Cave Swallow is called West Indian Cave Swallow. I would have expected this name to apply only to P. f. fulva subspecies. It just makes it kind of confusing b/c the Cave Swallow records from states away from the eastern seaboard, such as AR, usually refer to the subspecies P. f. pelodoma, which is the Mexican Cave Swallow thing. So it's a little odd that the thing on the AR checklist is called West Indian Cave Swallow. Obviously, it's no big deal and too late to change...just odd and maybe a little confusing. 
Nick
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| 10/17/2006 8:08 AM |
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Yes - corrected. Thanks Pete.
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aldeboro
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| 10/17/2006 8:30 AM |
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I found this web site that has a photo of the perported Caribbean Elaenia with date & location (Ft Pickens).
http://www.fosbirds.org/photoarc/uf_mat.htm
The Florida Ornithological Society (FOS) does not have it on its
current checklist yet its in their archives. Does anybody know if that
record was officially rejected and why?
Regards, Al Borodayko
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jjones
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| 10/18/2006 9:15 AM |
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FYI
With all the feedback and corrections I have received both in this forum and via email since posting the new checklist updates, I have created and posted new updates for each file. Be sure to follow the instructions in the first post of this thread for importing each of these checklist files.
In addition, Nick provided us with an updated Mexico checklist which I posted on the Downloads page as well. Import this using the AOU tax list with Overwrite Locations.
Keep the corrections coming.
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nlblock
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| 10/18/2006 4:58 PM |
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Jeff,
A few changes didn't make it into the updated overall Canada and US ABA checklists. Here are the changes needed that I found and the corresponding appended checklist export:
ONTARIO
ADD these things: Brewer's Sparrow, McCown's Longspur, Neotropical Cormorant, Northern Three-toed Woodpecker, Tundra Goose, and White-collared Swift.
Source: Ontario Bird Records Committee, http://www.ofo.ca/obrc/chcklst.htm
PENNSYLVANIA
REMOVE: Sandwich Tern
ADD: Ash-throated Flycatcher
Source: Pennsylvania Ornithological Records Committee, http://www.pabirds.org/PORC_Official_List.htm
KANSAS
ADD: Harris's Hawk, Ross's Goose
Source: Kansas Bird Records Committee, http://www.ksbirds.org/kos/kos_kbrc.htm
ALASKA
ADD: Thayer's Gull
Source: Checklist of Alaska Birds, www.uaf.edu/museum/bird/products/checklist.pdf
DELAWARE, IDAHO, and MONTANA
ADD: Passenger Pigeon
Source: Birds of North America species account
NORTH CAROLINA
ADD: Fea's Petrel
Source: Carolina Bird Club Bird Records Committee, http://www.carolinabirdclub.org/brc/checklist_of_North_Carolina_birds.html
Nick
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aldeboro
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| 10/18/2006 8:05 PM |
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Jeff,
I downloaded the 4 updates and here are my results (BDv3.6.29):
------------------------------ABA AREA---AOU Locations--Clements World
BD Tax List-------------938/939--------2041/2042------9924/31081
Sightings Entry Setup--939-------------2042------------9923
Reports - Checklists----938------------2041------------9923 (without subspecies)
Reports - Checklists----------------------------------------9924/21157/31080 (with subspecies)
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ABA and AOU the difference of 1 is attributed to the Blue Grouse
Supergenus that is on the tax list but not on the checklist and that
makes sense
For Clements, there is an anomaly of 1 that I
haven't found yet. Why is there 1 less quantity in the Sightings Entry
Setup list and Checklist w/o subspecies?
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jjones
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| 10/19/2006 10:07 AM |
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Thank you Nick - made changes as per your ABA_checklist_corrections.csv. Question, exactly how did you produce that file? I was surprised that it imported correctly with (ABA, Overwrite Locations) settings.
As per you last post, "why the difference Sightings Entry and Checklist" - What location filter did you specify? In either case, this would indicate that there is one bird which has no location information at all. I ran a quick query against the database and it would appear that "Gray-headed Robin" (common name & thing description) has no checklist data. Heteromyias albispecularis. It should be attached to Australia.
I will post a new set of checklist imports after the move to the new hosting provider is complete. (keep your fingers crossed - I do not need any more brain damage)
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aldeboro
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| 10/20/2006 6:01 PM |
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Jeff,
Regarding the Gray-headed Robin, its part of the Ashy Robin/Gray-headed Robin complex so the specie (Heteromyias albispecularis) should have Papua New Guinea and Australia. At the subspecie level, the locations should be filtered (i.e., Heteromyias albispecularis albispecularis - Papua New Guinea, Heteromyias albispecularis - cinereifrons - Australia). At least that's how I think the system should work.
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nlblock
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| 10/20/2006 7:29 PM |
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Posted By jjones on 10/19/2006 10:07 AM
Thank you Nick - made changes as per your ABA_checklist_corrections.csv. Question, exactly how did you produce that file? I was surprised that it imported correctly with (ABA, Overwrite Locations) settings.
I started with a location checklist for one of the states and filtered for the ABA taxonomy. Then I just appended to that export with the other states for which I made changes. I figured it would be easier than making a bigger file for all of the ABA again.
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jjones
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Re: Nick
That's what I figured Nick. Smart! That is why I created that.
Re: Al
Thanks Al. I haven't begun to tackle the subspecies yet. Someone is working on correcting the subspecies for the UK right now. Country by country, we will get there.
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aldeboro
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| 10/21/2006 11:19 AM |
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jeff,
I don't want to flog a dead horse but the ABA checklist committee has not published the split of the Blue Grouse. Their latest checklist is as of Dec 2005 (see link below). I expect they will comply when they release the 2006 report.
http://www.americanbirding.org/checklist/abachecklist.pdf
The most heartening news is that they are addressing the issue of listing exotics. See link below.
http://www.americanbirding.org/pubs/birding/archives/vol38no1p22to25.pdf
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jjones
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| 10/21/2006 11:34 AM |
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Hi Al:
I suspect that SteveO will reply to this as well. I am aware of the fact that you mention above. We decided to go ahead and publish the changes in accordance with the AOU updates, as the ABA generally follows all such AOU changes. When the ABA publishes their changes, if they are not in line, we will release a free updated version.
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SteveO
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| 10/22/2006 12:03 AM |
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Just as a matter of clarification, the ABA used to maintain its own Taxonomy list but stopped a few years ago The ABA now has a policy of following the AOU "on matters of taxonomy and nomenclature", so the two should differ only on matters of distribution - which as recent Checklist forums postings have demonstrated, are also contoversial.
As Jeff implied, we made applicable AOU changes to the ABA list. My contacts in the ABA have said that the revised ABA list should be published shortly. At that time we will update the ABA list and repost it, if necessary. |
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royharv
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| 10/22/2006 6:04 AM |
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| So ABA has a checklist, not a tax list, but BD treats it as a tax list, not a checklist? |
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jjones
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| 10/22/2006 9:40 AM |
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Posted By royharv on 10/22/2006 6:04 AM
So ABA has a checklist, not a tax list, but BD treats it as a tax list, not a checklist?
Hi Roy,
Well good. At least we have completely confused Roy! 
For the purposes of definition within Birder's Diary:
- Taxonomic List - Classifies (kingdom - species/subspecies) things, gives them a common name and sorts them amongst the other things in the list
- Checklist - Associates things with locations (e.g. pine grosbeak = Colorado)
The USA checklist should use the ABA tax list for importing. The ABA/2006 import is a tax list. The Birds-USA/ABA-2006-Oct is a checklist import for states of the USA.
There. Have I sufficiently muddied the waters now? 
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