Marc 
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| 04/09/2011 9:29 AM |
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Love the progress bars!! Set one up for Total Ticks and it came back with 0,0,0. Hmmm! I realize that there is no Total Ticks Checklist against which to measure one's progress but I'll volunteer to calculate the total goal if that's all that's needed. Or should this go on the Wish List. Love 3.7! |
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jjones
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| 04/10/2011 9:56 AM |
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Hi Marc,
I don't follow this. I don't get what you are after here or what you mean. Please give more details.
Sorry for being so dense,
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Marc
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| 04/10/2011 3:38 PM |
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Sorry for not being overly clear. I set up a number of Progress bars (or Lifer bars) for the main window background: World, ABA and also Total Ticks. World and ABA show my life and yearly totals, but the one for Total ticks shows my total as 0, my yearly total as 0 and the target to be 0. I assume that this is because there is no Total Ticks checklist in BD, so the program comes up with zeros. Try it and let me know what you get. I guess this will require a work around so that BD knows what is the target for Total Ticks even though there is no checklist. Does this make any sense?? |
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SteveO
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| 04/10/2011 7:34 PM |
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Total Ticks and its Canadien cousin ATPAT, are ABA Listing artifacts. ATPAT is All Territories and Provinces Added Togehter.
In the case of a progress bar, TT would be the summation of the number of species seen in all 50 states plus the District of Columbia, divided by the summation of the number of species on each state's checklist (plus DC).
The interesting thing is that it is not the same as your life count in the US, because if you have seen a Mallard in 40 states, you get to count it in each state - but if it is on the checklist of 45 stares - they get added together, too.
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Marc
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| 04/11/2011 6:47 AM |
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Steve,
I grasp the concept of Total Ticks (and I have seen multiple ticks from Mallards and Starlings). What I would like is to see my total on one of the new progress bars. The grand total for Total Ticks would be, I believe, not as you indicated, but the totals from Alaska, the lower 48, DC, the 10 Canadian provices, the 3 Canadian Territories plus StPierre et Miquelon. No Hawaii. Easy to calculate. But how do we get the progress bar to pick up this number?? |
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SteveO
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| 04/11/2011 7:24 AM |
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You are right.
I was going from memory - always dangerous - and my comments were aimed more to clarify Jeff's understanding than yours. |
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jjones
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| 04/11/2011 8:34 AM |
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Interesting. Thanks Mark and Steve for enlightening me. Those locations have been around since early days and they indeed have no things associated with the locations. Kind of weird how they do not contain any locations which do have location data.
For example, why wouldn't "ABA TT Lower 48" contain location "Lower 48 United States"? If it did, then it would contain the checklist data you need. But perhaps there is a reason it does not, if so enlighten me. And then to continue the example, have "ABA TT Southwestern US" contain the states that are meant to be in that region. Then you would automatically have the checklist data you want. But perhaps since these locations have special counting rules (just going on what you two have stated above) it wouldn't make correct sense.
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Marc
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| 04/11/2011 8:58 AM |
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Jeff,
Speaking only of Total Ticks (can't speak for the "regional" Total Ticks), BD is correctly calculating this total, and it appears on the ABA Report. Run the ABA report and you will get your Total Ticks (TT on ABA report) and if you have birded in Canada you will get All Territories and Provinces (ATAP). To get the Progress bar BD needs to use this number and compare it the Total Ticks Grand Total (ie, the number of ticks you would get if you saw every bird on every state, province and territory list). Hope this is clarifies things. Marc |
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SteveO
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| 04/11/2011 9:17 AM |
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My post disappeared , so I will try again.
The concept is a bit hard to explain, and obviously I did not do it well.
TT is not a location, it is a methof of calculating the ABA area that is different
The numerator is the sum of your state and territory lists - the sum of the birds you have seen in Alabama, Alaska, Alberta, through WashingtonDC, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Yukon Territories, and St. Pierre et Miquelon.
The denominator is the sum of the number of species on the checklist for each of those locations.
If that explanation does not help, let me know and I will ty it again. |
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jjones
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| 04/11/2011 9:40 AM |
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So, Steve, these locations exist merely to enable the ABA Annual report functionality? Is that correct? I have apparently been oblivious to this up until now.
If that is the case, then the Lifer Bars will probably not be able to use any of these locations.
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SteveO
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| 04/11/2011 4:40 PM |
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| Yes - both the numerator and denominator have to be calculated - rather than counted. |
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Marc
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| 04/12/2011 6:28 AM |
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Steve,
BD already calculates the numerator when you run the ABA report. As for the denominator it can be calculated once and updated once a year when the ABA comes out with the ABA reporting form. In my original post I said I'd be happy to determine the denominator. The offer still stands! Marc |
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jjones
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| 04/12/2011 7:48 AM |
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Hi Marc,
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think the problem is in doing the math to generate the reports; just that it would be something for the wishlist for the next release.
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SteveO
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| 04/12/2011 8:23 AM |
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That makes twice that this topic has eaten my post.
I don't think that it is quite as easy as that.
The ABA report uses "non-standard" algotithms to select and sum all the sightings for the various geographic units involved in order to create the numerator.
The denominator should actually be the sum of the number of species on each of the chacklists rather than the reporting thresholds that appear in the ABA report. That makes the number a little harder to determine and more subject to change - although once a year should really be enough.
But anything is feasible. The real question is how much demand there would be for this feature. |
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jjones
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| 04/12/2011 8:31 AM |
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Just an fyi Steve - if you use the Quick Reply option at the bottom of each topic page, instead of the "Add Reply" link that brings you to the full editor, and someone else is replying also, you will lose your reply. Hey - I didn't write this code.  |
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SteveO
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| 04/12/2011 8:42 AM |
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Then it is your fault for replying so quickly.
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